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	<title>Comments on: CSO&#8217;s summer opener with Bronfman upstaged by Ravinia&#8217;s Jumbotrons</title>
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		<title>By: benjamin</title>
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		<dc:creator>benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 16:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about dumbing-down the audience for the sake of &quot;saving classical music&quot; at Ravinia!

Most audience members mistakenly &quot;listen with their eyes&quot;. I&#039;m a professional classical musician and while attending a Ravinia concert in the pavilion, even I had to remind myself to LISTEN as I drifted off into the seduction of the visual at the expense of the music.

If I&#039;m prone to that kind of thing, I can&#039;t imagine what that instructs a less educated listener to come away with from a concert!

But, as has already been noted in this comment section, follow the money. That attitude will lead to exactly the opposite kind of an impression of classical music and what it&#039;s all about - the picture, not the music.

Ben</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about dumbing-down the audience for the sake of &#8220;saving classical music&#8221; at Ravinia!</p>
<p>Most audience members mistakenly &#8220;listen with their eyes&#8221;. I&#8217;m a professional classical musician and while attending a Ravinia concert in the pavilion, even I had to remind myself to LISTEN as I drifted off into the seduction of the visual at the expense of the music.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m prone to that kind of thing, I can&#8217;t imagine what that instructs a less educated listener to come away with from a concert!</p>
<p>But, as has already been noted in this comment section, follow the money. That attitude will lead to exactly the opposite kind of an impression of classical music and what it&#8217;s all about &#8211; the picture, not the music.</p>
<p>Ben</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Powell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having attended Ravinia almost weekly for many years before moving to the Rockford area three years ago, I agree 100% that video screens are a truly dumb idea. The joy of Ravinia was sitting on the lawn as dusk settled in and the only lights were from the stage of the pavillion in the distance. Back in those days the lawns were mostly quiet and the sound of the CSO -- even over the speakers -- was special.

When my wife and I moved away from the Chicago area, we thought we&#039;d miss Ravinia. But that was about the time Sunday concerts were being moved from 7 p.m. to 5 p.m., which was a disaster not only for the heat of the day (yes, I was there on that Mozart 5 p.m. Sunday when it was about 104 degrees), but also because that &#039;family friendly&#039; time was more about noisy kids than experiencing great music. Now that Ravinia has gone visual, the real magic of that place seems to be really gone -- so I doubt if we will miss it after all.

Out this way, we have a couple of summer venues that call themselves &quot;Ravinia West&quot; or something like that, with varied outdoor concerts in comfortable settings and with good sound systems. They may not really be anything like Ravinia as it once was, but they are fine for us now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having attended Ravinia almost weekly for many years before moving to the Rockford area three years ago, I agree 100% that video screens are a truly dumb idea. The joy of Ravinia was sitting on the lawn as dusk settled in and the only lights were from the stage of the pavillion in the distance. Back in those days the lawns were mostly quiet and the sound of the CSO &#8212; even over the speakers &#8212; was special.</p>
<p>When my wife and I moved away from the Chicago area, we thought we&#8217;d miss Ravinia. But that was about the time Sunday concerts were being moved from 7 p.m. to 5 p.m., which was a disaster not only for the heat of the day (yes, I was there on that Mozart 5 p.m. Sunday when it was about 104 degrees), but also because that &#8216;family friendly&#8217; time was more about noisy kids than experiencing great music. Now that Ravinia has gone visual, the real magic of that place seems to be really gone &#8212; so I doubt if we will miss it after all.</p>
<p>Out this way, we have a couple of summer venues that call themselves &#8220;Ravinia West&#8221; or something like that, with varied outdoor concerts in comfortable settings and with good sound systems. They may not really be anything like Ravinia as it once was, but they are fine for us now.</p>
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		<title>By: Harrison Boyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harrison Boyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me assure Mr. Yarosh that there is nothing the least curmudgeonly about me. I am one of those concert-goers who is willing to wait an extra hour or more, standing the entire time on the cold slate floor of the Kimmel Center for an affordable ticket to a good seat the Philadelphia Orchestra. When, as recently, I find myself having to squeeze my eyes shut for the entire concert because a woman in my line of sight is ostentatiously fanning herself with the program, I am  motivated to follow up on this discussion the problem of visual distraction.

Mr. Yarosh has apparently spent long years in marketing opera companies, an endeavor that I, as a professional composer who has also worked in ‘development’, fully appreciate and admire. However the old saw about ‘if your tools is a hammer, every problem is a nail’ may apply here. Opera is meant to have a visual component, and we compose with that in mind.  However - in orchestral concerts the visual is incidental - indeed the custom of dressing the orchestra uniformly has a lot to do with reducing visual distraction. 

 Now, if the visual aspect is to be artificially amplified, why not the audio? And once that is electronic, why not just play a video of the whole thing? I know it is Mr. Yarrow’s quite difficult job to ‘market’ performances, but it is important to be ever vigilant about mere gimmicks. I am sure it is very frustrating, but you will surely lose more people by installing a JumboTron© than you will gain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me assure Mr. Yarosh that there is nothing the least curmudgeonly about me. I am one of those concert-goers who is willing to wait an extra hour or more, standing the entire time on the cold slate floor of the Kimmel Center for an affordable ticket to a good seat the Philadelphia Orchestra. When, as recently, I find myself having to squeeze my eyes shut for the entire concert because a woman in my line of sight is ostentatiously fanning herself with the program, I am  motivated to follow up on this discussion the problem of visual distraction.</p>
<p>Mr. Yarosh has apparently spent long years in marketing opera companies, an endeavor that I, as a professional composer who has also worked in ‘development’, fully appreciate and admire. However the old saw about ‘if your tools is a hammer, every problem is a nail’ may apply here. Opera is meant to have a visual component, and we compose with that in mind.  However &#8211; in orchestral concerts the visual is incidental &#8211; indeed the custom of dressing the orchestra uniformly has a lot to do with reducing visual distraction. </p>
<p> Now, if the visual aspect is to be artificially amplified, why not the audio? And once that is electronic, why not just play a video of the whole thing? I know it is Mr. Yarrow’s quite difficult job to ‘market’ performances, but it is important to be ever vigilant about mere gimmicks. I am sure it is very frustrating, but you will surely lose more people by installing a JumboTron© than you will gain.</p>
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		<title>By: Marko Velikonja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marko Velikonja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Mr. Johnson on this.  I would find the video screens terribly annoying.  And I&#039;m not sure who Andrew Yarosh&#039;s &quot;people like us&quot; are; surely lovers of orchestral music aren&#039;t so monolithic.

By all means, put the screens up for those on the lawn who can&#039;t see the stage - I would have loved this when I attended Tanglewood concerts a few years ago - but what on Earth is the point of giving a video image to people who can actually see the live event?  I might not avoid a concert that had these video screens, but they certainly wouldn&#039;t encourage me to attend.

Are those of us who oppose this old fuddy-duddies?  Generally I&#039;m totally for cutting-edge programming and novel presentation, but this one seems a horrible idea.  But as a free market type, if Ravinia sells more tickets, who am I to object?  Ravinia isn&#039;t really the place to hear the great CSO at its best, anyway; if they did this at Orchestra Hall, it might be another matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Mr. Johnson on this.  I would find the video screens terribly annoying.  And I&#8217;m not sure who Andrew Yarosh&#8217;s &#8220;people like us&#8221; are; surely lovers of orchestral music aren&#8217;t so monolithic.</p>
<p>By all means, put the screens up for those on the lawn who can&#8217;t see the stage &#8211; I would have loved this when I attended Tanglewood concerts a few years ago &#8211; but what on Earth is the point of giving a video image to people who can actually see the live event?  I might not avoid a concert that had these video screens, but they certainly wouldn&#8217;t encourage me to attend.</p>
<p>Are those of us who oppose this old fuddy-duddies?  Generally I&#8217;m totally for cutting-edge programming and novel presentation, but this one seems a horrible idea.  But as a free market type, if Ravinia sells more tickets, who am I to object?  Ravinia isn&#8217;t really the place to hear the great CSO at its best, anyway; if they did this at Orchestra Hall, it might be another matter.</p>
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		<title>By: CJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sad that Mr. Cady does not recognize an unsatisfactory solution when he sees one; instead he chooses to sow if-everyone-else-does-it-so-should-we FUD. Installing video to reach new audiences is about as creative as a wet paper bag.

The issue has nothing to do with what&#039;s conservative and what isn&#039;t. The issue is: what&#039;s the product Ravinia is selling? Anyone who&#039;s been in a sports bar with twenty televisions knows how different that product is vs. oh, say the Old Absinthe House, for example. In this case the screens are a distraction and they&#039;re precisely intended to be a distraction. 

But from what? If Ravinia is confident in the product it sells—and I suspect it is—then it should concentrate on forging an emotional connection between itself and its target audience. Video used in this manner is a highly suspect technique, not only because it significantly affects the product but also because it&#039;s not exclusive.

One should not confuse a lack of innovation with opposition to an idea that has significant liabilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad that Mr. Cady does not recognize an unsatisfactory solution when he sees one; instead he chooses to sow if-everyone-else-does-it-so-should-we FUD. Installing video to reach new audiences is about as creative as a wet paper bag.</p>
<p>The issue has nothing to do with what&#8217;s conservative and what isn&#8217;t. The issue is: what&#8217;s the product Ravinia is selling? Anyone who&#8217;s been in a sports bar with twenty televisions knows how different that product is vs. oh, say the Old Absinthe House, for example. In this case the screens are a distraction and they&#8217;re precisely intended to be a distraction. </p>
<p>But from what? If Ravinia is confident in the product it sells—and I suspect it is—then it should concentrate on forging an emotional connection between itself and its target audience. Video used in this manner is a highly suspect technique, not only because it significantly affects the product but also because it&#8217;s not exclusive.</p>
<p>One should not confuse a lack of innovation with opposition to an idea that has significant liabilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew E. Yarosh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew E. Yarosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a 55+ lifelong symphony-goer, opera lover and chamber music administrative professional I think this is a magnificent innovation, particularly in summer, outdoor settings like Ravinia.  These venues are where many casual or first-time concertgoers &quot;dip their toe&quot; into our performances.  If the field were to take Mr. Boyles curmudgeonly response as gospel, we have no chance of expanding our audience to people who are not like us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a 55+ lifelong symphony-goer, opera lover and chamber music administrative professional I think this is a magnificent innovation, particularly in summer, outdoor settings like Ravinia.  These venues are where many casual or first-time concertgoers &#8220;dip their toe&#8221; into our performances.  If the field were to take Mr. Boyles curmudgeonly response as gospel, we have no chance of expanding our audience to people who are not like us.</p>
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		<title>By: Harrison Boyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harrison Boyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This &#039;technique&#039; has certainly NOT been a &#039;success.&#039; A questionnaire circulated to the patrons of Philadelphia Orchestra concerts included this notion, and it was NOT welcomed by any listener or musician I asked about it, not one.

Turning everything into a TV show just because the technology is now cheap is a bad idea, and is motivated solely by marketing considerations. Marketers seem convinced that the younger generation is comprised of morons who cannot receive any kind of information without constant flashing and banging - seen any movie trailer lately without electronic thunder/explosion noises and visually irritating jump cuts every 10 seconds - even comedies and romance?)

As recent 4th of July events remind us the reverse is also true - blaring enforced music over fireworks reduces the entire sky to a mere TV set. Let&#039;s stop this now, before it is too late!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This &#8216;technique&#8217; has certainly NOT been a &#8217;success.&#8217; A questionnaire circulated to the patrons of Philadelphia Orchestra concerts included this notion, and it was NOT welcomed by any listener or musician I asked about it, not one.</p>
<p>Turning everything into a TV show just because the technology is now cheap is a bad idea, and is motivated solely by marketing considerations. Marketers seem convinced that the younger generation is comprised of morons who cannot receive any kind of information without constant flashing and banging &#8211; seen any movie trailer lately without electronic thunder/explosion noises and visually irritating jump cuts every 10 seconds &#8211; even comedies and romance?)</p>
<p>As recent 4th of July events remind us the reverse is also true &#8211; blaring enforced music over fireworks reduces the entire sky to a mere TV set. Let&#8217;s stop this now, before it is too late!</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Cady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew Cady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 05:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sad that Mr. Johnson is blinded by his conservative appreciation of the classical arts.  But surely he must realize that the stoic old ways of the classical orchestra demand new access and creative devise to gain new audiences.  I believe another opinion is worth capture here.  Perhaps you should interview Mr. Kauffman re. this?   I suspect he has done his homework about what is working elsewhere in the orchestral world.  This technique has been implemented with great success all over the classical world.  Chicago is simply following a worthy trend.  If Mr. Johnson simply cannot tolerate this video enhancement, then perhaps he needs some blinders upon his brow?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad that Mr. Johnson is blinded by his conservative appreciation of the classical arts.  But surely he must realize that the stoic old ways of the classical orchestra demand new access and creative devise to gain new audiences.  I believe another opinion is worth capture here.  Perhaps you should interview Mr. Kauffman re. this?   I suspect he has done his homework about what is working elsewhere in the orchestral world.  This technique has been implemented with great success all over the classical world.  Chicago is simply following a worthy trend.  If Mr. Johnson simply cannot tolerate this video enhancement, then perhaps he needs some blinders upon his brow?</p>
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